Hosted by Andrew Hopper & Bobby Herrington

Breaking Barriers Podcast

We’re here to help pastors and churches grow so that they can go. Churches can grow without going, but they can’t go without growing. Do you ever feel like church growth and sending is an uphill battle? You’re not alone, many leaders face common barriers that hinder mission success. At Breaking Barriers, we understand these challenges because we’ve been there. Now, we are on a mission to guide churches and leaders like you with Biblical strategies to help your church grow to go. Join Pastors Andrew Hopper and Bobby Herrington from Mercy Hill Church in Greensboro, NC.

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Recent Episodes

The Flywheel for Life | Fitness, Family, Flock, and Finances for Pastors (Part 2)

In this episode, Pastor Andrew and Pastor Bobby continue their conversation on how church leaders can organize their lives to support both personal health and church growth. They explore the critical areas of fitness, family, flock, and finances, explaining why a pastor’s vision for these personal areas should be as detailed and vivid as their vision for their church. Discover practical strategies to create sustainable rhythms in each area while adapting to different life stages, ensuring your church’s health doesn’t outpace your own.

The Flywheel for Life | Why Your Church Can’t Outgrow Your Personal Health

In this episode, we explore the “flywheel concept” for pastoral health and church growth. Discover how intentionally investing in your personal wellbeing creates momentum that carries into your family, ministry, and finances. Learn why passivity is never the pathway to health and how creating a strategic flywheel can prevent burnout while fostering sustainable church growth. If you’re a pastor with growth aspirations, you need a vision for your health that matches your vision for your church.

Time Horizons: How Effective Church Leaders Balance Vision and Execution

Why do some churches thrive while others plateau? In this episode, we explore how effective church leadership requires working across multiple time horizons simultaneously. Using Mercy Hill’s new Ridge campus project as a case study, we break down the four essential time frameworks every ministry leader must navigate: vision (3-10 years), strategy (1-3 years), tactics (90 days to 1 year), and execution (the next week). Learn practical steps to elevate your leadership, identify your natural tendencies, implement systems for longer-term thinking, and properly delegate responsibilities across your team. Discover how to move beyond just managing the next Sunday to intentionally planning for the future.

The Ethos of Breaking Barriers | Growing to Go (Part 2)

1 year into Breaking Barriers, we wanted to revisit the reason we started Breaking Barriers to begin with. In this episode, Pastor Andrew and Pastor Bobby continue the conversation around the false dichotomy between church growth and spiritual depth. Learn why many churches simultaneously mourn decline while refusing to celebrate growth, and discover how this mindset may be holding ministries back. They share practical insights on balancing numerical growth with discipleship, debunk common myths about church growth being “unspiritual,” and explore how growing churches become sending churches. Whether you’re a pastor feeling guilty about wanting your church to grow or a ministry leader looking to break through plateaus, this episode provides a bedrock, Biblical perspective on embracing both the crowds of Acts 2 and the deep discipleship that follows.

The Ethos of Breaking Barriers | Growing to Go: Why Church Growth and Sending Go Hand in Hand

1 year into Breaking Barriers, we wanted to revisit the reason we started Breaking Barriers to begin with. In this episode, Pastor Andrew and Pastor Bobby re-tackle the false dichotomy between church growth and spiritual depth. Learn why many churches simultaneously mourn decline while refusing to celebrate growth, and discover how this mindset may be holding ministries back. They share practical insights on balancing numerical growth with discipleship, debunk common myths about church growth being “unspiritual,” and explore how growing churches become sending churches. Whether you’re a pastor feeling guilty about wanting your church to grow or a ministry leader looking to break through plateaus, this episode provides a bedrock, Biblical perspective on embracing both the crowds of Acts 2 and the deep discipleship that follows.

6 Axioms For Moving From Partnering to Planting

We believe that parent-planting churches is the best way to plant churches, but partner-planting is the best pathway to parent-planting. In this episode, we discuss 6 axioms, 3 to move into planting and 3 to move into parent-planting.

3 Guiding Principles for Leading Staff

Are you in charge of leading people? It might be an entire staff-team of 75 people, maybe it’s 10 people on kids’ staff, or it might just be 3 volunteers. If you lead people, this episode looks at 3 guiding principles for leading staff.

Steven Wade | One Question to See the Crowd Become the Family

“How does one go from the crowd to the family at my church?” This one question can be the catalyst for growth at your church. If you don’t have this clearly defined for yourself, your leadership, your staff, your volunteers, etc; how do you expect that it will just happen naturally? Pastor Steven Wade, Lead Pastor at Faith Baptist Church, Youngsville, NC, and Professor of Pastoral Theology at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary dives into this concept from Acts 2. By the Spirit, through the Word, and in community.

Easter Planning, Big Days Planning, Projections

In this episode, we talk about Easter/Big Day planning, preparations, projections and much more. If you’re looking for ways to prepare the jars for Easter, then this is the episode for you. If you’re listening to this as it is released…then Easter is right around the corner! If you’re catching this at a later date, then another Big Day is coming up (listen to Episode 15 and 16 for more on that!).

From 10-Year Vision to 90-Day Rocks

If you Haven’t listened to Episode 47, go check that out as it sets the groundwork for this episode! We take a look at our recent Executive planning meeting and how to take you 10-year vision and boil it all the way down to 90-day rocks. This is a super practical episode and we think you’re really going to get alot out of it!

The Importance of a 10-Year Vision (Part 1)

When planning the year ahead, looking back at the previous year is essential to see how it went. It’s also so important to look at the next 10 years and what the future could look like. Vision casting is both long-term and short-term; the long-term vision informs the short-term vision. This episode focuses on the 10-year vision, and the next episode will be about reverse engineering that 10-year vision.

Church Mergers | The Number 1 Thing to Navigate (Part 2)

In the church culture, we use the phrase, “Church Merger” but that is actually not a very accurate phrase. The idea is more like an adoption than a merging of two things, and this can be tough to navigate. Two visions = division. In this episode, we try to help you navigate and understand what that process can actually look like.